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What are the chances of catching an STD during unprotected?
#1
Hi, I originally posted this over at ukpunting.com but they immediately banned me for some reason. Anyway I don't know much about STDs apart from it seems that there is a lot of scare mongering related to them. As far as I know, STDs cannot be created by having unprotected sex, they can only be caught if the other person has them.

Now bare in mind I am not talking about the curable ones, only the non curable ones which are life changing and don't have any symptoms to indicate that you have them. From internet research it would appear that the main big bad, HIV, only has a 1 in 3000 transmission rate if you aren't wearing a condom. And there are only 1040000 people in the UK with HIV in the first place, that is a tiny amount, less than .5% of a 68 million population. What are the chances one of the suffers would happen to be an escort? I know that there are two other life changers, HPV and Hep B which I have yet to look into.

Anyway, going by the stats, unless you are in some big run down city the chances of catching it are practically nill. But from the blanket advice of always practicing safe sex it makes me think that there must be some miss understanding from people about STDs spread. It seems people think just by having unprotected you can generate an STD somehow.

I have only started punting since December last year and due to money limitations I have only seen four escorts and practiced safe sex each time using a condom apart from one time when it broke and we realised after a minute and put a new one on.

What made me think of this subject was that I recently visited an escort who didn't seem too fussed about whether we used a condom or not. I almost went for her bareback but I suffer from OCD which tends to eat away at any form of doubt and I know it wouldn't have left me alone until I knew I hadn't caught any of the big diseases.

I feel like I missed an opportunity and really would like to know where I stand. I live in a quiet area of the country and I just can't see there being any dangerous STDs down here and I find it really hard to believe that the main ones are that common anywhere, even in the cities. The only thing I don't like is that the worst ones don't give symptoms like if you caught HIV you could be walking around with a death sentence over your head without even knowing it.

I am almost certain it is a silly worry, but I didn't become sexually active until I started punting so I am not knowledgeable about the subject. It will be helpful to hear from more knowledgeable people on the subject, thanks Smile
#2
You won't find an escort to have bare back with you. You're playing with not only your health but the health of anyone you or she then sleep with. Don't be a fuckwit.
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#3
In the UK, the chances of contracting HIV from protected sex, if the condom is used properly, is indeed pretty low. But there are other things, notably gonorrhoea and Chlamydia, that are much, much more common, and can also be passed on via oral. Some cases of gonorrhoea are becoming resistant to antibiotics and can be tough to treat.

Also, I think your rationale about city vs country is severely flawed. Not only do people move about, but in metropolitan areas if anything they're more likely to be safe sex savvy.

Bottom line, never bareback an escort OR a civvy - the latter at least until you know them well/both go for a screen first.
#4
(27-11-2015, 01:16)Chiltern Line Wrote: In the UK, the chances of contracting HIV from protected sex, if the condom is used properly, is indeed pretty low. But there are other things, notably gonorrhoea and Chlamydia, that are much, much more common, and can also be passed on via oral. Some cases of gonorrhoea are becoming resistant to antibiotics and can be tough to treat.

Also, I think your rationale about city vs country is severely flawed. Not only do people move about, but in metropolitan areas if anything they're more likely to be safe sex savvy.

Bottom line, never bareback an escort OR a civvy - the latter at least until you know them well/both go for a screen first.

This just seems like complete and utter paranoia to me. Even in the rare case somebody has something, the chances of transmission are small. I mean without a condom, with one obviously they are non existent, but that was not my question.


My question was about catching HIV, or any of the major diseases, from somebody without a condom. From what I have read the chance of transmission is 1 in 3000 without a condom even if the person had HIV in the first place. Less than .5% of the population even have HIV, it is that rare. You can work out 104000 as a percentage of 68 million if you want, but it is less than half a percent so there really is no point. I haven't looked up the stats on the other major diseases, let's just stick to this one for the sake of the argument.

I disagree with your statement that my rationale is flawed, there are very few people in the smaller towns that would have any kind of STD, let alone the dangerous ones.

Why is bareback considered so dangerous then? You seem to be one of those people who think that you can magically create an STD just because you don't use a condom.

I really don't understand the danger, it makes me angry TBH.
#5
I don't really know why you are asking this question when you seem to have already done a lot of research and got the answers.

Obviously there are dangers and I think you'd be more angry if you caught HIV!!
#6
Yeah I have done research but what bothers me is that the research doesn't add up to the level of paranoia people seem to have, it makes me worry if I am missing something. And it depresses me so much, I wish STDs never existed Sad

I want to have unprotected sex with a female human but I have OCD and I would worry about what if I caught something.
#7
Female human, huh?

People are paranoid about STIs because THEY CAN KILL YOU. And if not kill you they can leave you infertile, blind or desperately ill. Even the 'non-serious' ones as you weirdly call them. The chances of catching them may be small, but it's still possible. The chances of being run over are small but i still look both ways before crossing the road and wear a helmet when I'm on my bike.

True, chances are you're probably not going to catch HIV from having unprotected sex, but why risk it? You still might and that's enough of a risk for most people to protect themselves regardless of the statistics in their favour. It only takes one bad decision to live with the consequences for the rest of your life.

Your flawed logic about smaller towns is so ludicrous i can only assume you made it up.
#8
(27-11-2015, 12:15)inexperiencedpunter Wrote: doesn't add up to the level of paranoia people seem to have

You are mistaking people taking their health seriously for paranoia, would you rather people who provide escort services care less about their health and subsequently yours?

Chlamydia, left unchecked and untreated (often symptomless) is a major contributor to eptopic pregnancy which can kill. It can also cause infertility in women. Are those things worth keeping one bareback seeker happy? I'd imagine not.

Gonorrhea can leave both men and women infertile, and even kill. It can spread to the joints causing severe long term pain and mobility issues.

Herpes - there is no cure for. It is spread super easily, and once caught a woman, if undiagnosed will pass the virus to her newborn baby at birth. Herpes kills babies. Does someones unborn child deserve the consequence of it's parents past indiscretions? No.


So while you're over there frustrated that people aren't more willing to fuck you without protection, keep in mind that your bareback joyride is a mere blink of time that could seriously ruin someone's life. I suspect nobody with an ounce of care for themselves or others would consider a punter worth that.
#9
(27-11-2015, 12:51)beauvoir Wrote: Female human, huh?

People are paranoid about STIs because THEY CAN KILL YOU. And if not kill you they can leave you infertile, blind or desperately ill. Even the 'non-serious' ones as you weirdly call them. The chances of catching them may be small, but it's still possible. The chances of being run over are small but i still look both ways before crossing the road and wear a helmet when I'm on my bike.

True, chances are you're probably not going to catch HIV from having unprotected sex, but why risk it? You still might and that's enough of a risk for most people to protect themselves regardless of the statistics in their favour. It only takes one bad decision to live with the consequences for the rest of your life.

Your flawed logic about smaller towns is so ludicrous i can only assume you made it up.

Quote:True, chances are you're probably not going to catch HIV from having unprotected sex, but why risk it? You still might and that's enough of a risk for most people to protect themselves regardless of the statistics in their favour. It only takes one bad decision to live with the consequences for the rest of your life.
To catch an STD somebody has to have it in the first place, but what are the odds of that in a normal part of the country not ravaged by poverty and disease? Or even a moderately run down area? It has to come from somewhere, if nobody has been exposed to an STD in that particular area, common sense dictates that nobody will have one and thus nobody will catch one.

Also please explain to me as to how come small towns are not safer from STDs then?


(27-11-2015, 13:35)Ana_X Wrote:
(27-11-2015, 12:15)inexperiencedpunter Wrote: doesn't add up to the level of paranoia people seem to have

You are mistaking people taking their health seriously for paranoia, would you rather people who provide escort services care less about their health and subsequently yours?

Chlamydia, left unchecked and untreated (often symptomless) is a major contributor to eptopic pregnancy which can kill. It can also cause infertility in women. Are those things worth keeping one bareback seeker happy? I'd imagine not.

Gonorrhea can leave both men and women infertile, and even kill. It can spread to the joints causing severe long term pain and mobility issues.

Herpes - there is no cure for. It is spread super easily, and once caught a woman, if undiagnosed will pass the virus to her newborn baby at birth. Herpes kills babies. Does someones unborn child deserve the consequence of it's parents past indiscretions? No.


So while you're over there frustrated that people aren't more willing to fuck you without protection, keep in mind that your bareback joyride is a mere blink of time that could seriously ruin someone's life. I suspect nobody with an ounce of care for themselves or others would consider a punter worth that.
I am actually reassured that escorts take their health seriously. I just don't know how you are supposed to ever have unprotected if there is so much paranoia. Like if I found a civilian woman to have sex with how would I have sex with her without worrying if she had a serious STD? Ones that you can treat with creams etc don't bother me, the life changing ones are the ones that do.

Edit:

Well according to this website: http://www.aidsmap.com/Estimated-risk-pe...e/1324038/

The risk is 0.04% in high income countries and that is if you shag somebody with HIV in the first place.


Also, thanks for questioning my integrity as a punter Rolleyes I like to have sex the natural way, who doesn't? Also I know my history and as such have always used a condom I just don't understand why I should have to with local escorts who have the same repeat clients over and over who are also locals themselves. Transsexual and bisexual people are more of a danger than just an innocent red bloodied male trying to get his end away the way nature intended.

I will admit that I am a bit ignorant on this issue, I left school only ten years ago and college, uni more recently but I never paid attention throughout any of them because the girls never showed any interest in me, so it wasn't a problem until last year when I decided I would start punting. But I love a good punt now, only once every few months, it is expensive you see!

The thought of an otherwise unknown woman's fluids on my dick is just so arousing to me, that is why I want to do bareback. Having a condom on just doesn't feel right, I don't see why as long as we are both local that we can't just have unprotected. I find it really hard to get my head around. It confuses me as to how there could be STDs in my little corner of the country.
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